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Finally! Google Updates PageRank: Here's The Real Scoop From 139,000 Websites

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If you're involved in Internet Marketing, chances are, you have read the news about the recent updates Google has made to it's Toolbar PageRank number (this is the publicly available PageRank number). Much of the current discussion has been the loss of PageRank by some high-profile sites in articles like "Digg Favorites Slapped by Google" and "Google changing the PageRank Algorithm?"  There has also been a fair amount of speculation as to the cause of this PageRank loss for these popular (and in many cases, highly regarded) websites.

(For those of you who don't know what Google PageRank is, check out The Importance of Google PageRank.)

The most common speculation is that these sites lost PageRank because they were selling links, and that this is a "penalty" being imposed by Google rather than just a "normal" update of PageRank. I don't have a strong opinion (yet) as to whether this was indeed the cause, but I do have some facts related to this recent news. As it turns out, we have access to the Google PageRank data for over 139,000 websites.  This data was collected via our free SEO tool called Website Grader.  Website Grader looks at a number of factors about a website as part of its evaluation -- including Google PageRank.

So, here are some of the insights drawn from this database. Disclaimer: The following was derived from some quick database queries and should be used for amusement purposes only. I'm not going to try and defend the points below. You don't have to believe me.  Also, I'd suggest using some of the numbers shown as relative measures indicating trends -- not absolute numbers you'd hang your hat on.

What You Can Learn About PageRank From 139,000 Websites

1) Contrary to what some believe, this recent update did not just reduce PageRank for some number of websites. There were sites that have increased in PageRank as a result of the recent update. A quick scan showed at least a handful of sites with PR5 or higher than rose to PR6 or higher. (As you would expect, there were also improvements in PageRank for a lot of lower ranked sites as well).

2) Overall, the average PageRank (across all sites) seems to bounce around a little. If we ignore sites with PageRank 0, the average PageRank for the home page of websites submitted to Website Grader was around 4.59 in March 2007. This increased to about 4.77 in April 2007. Coincidentally, there was a Google PageRank update in that month. I always suspected that the April update was reasonably "liberal" in its allocation of PageRank, now the data seems to back it up. Note: Technically, PageRank is assigned to individual URLs (not websites). What we tracking is the PageRank of the home/default page of a website as that is what most people talk about as a measure of the overall weight of their website with search engines.

3) Currently, the average PageRank is about 4.22 in October 2007  (it was 4.16 in September 2007). So, it would seem to me that there has been a drift downward in PageRank overall since the peak back in April.

Dharmesh Shah contributed heavily to this article.  In fact, he might have even posted it himself if he were not locked in the basement writing code for HubSpot right now.  (To any law enforcement officials reading this, don't worry, he is not being held captive against his will.  He has a big smile on his face and is working on "really cool stuff".)

Posted by Mike Volpe on Thu, Oct 25, 2007 @ 10:54 AM

COMMENTS

Dharmesh - would it be possible to get a couple of the URL's that went up, for examination purposes, either in the post or in private?

Thanks.

posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:20 AM by Michael VanDeMar


MIchael - Here are a couple examples:

www.leads.com 6 to 7
www.GotuitMedia.com 5 to 6
www.DreamHost.com 7 to 8

- Mike Volpe

posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:48 AM by Mike Volpe


Mike, thank you. I'm not sure on the others, but DH at least seems strange. I cannot remember if the root domain was a PR8 before or not, but the blog hasn't had it's inner pages (the ones I would expect, anyways) updated, which would be odd if this really is an update.

The snapshot for the current export (for now, anyways) is somewhere between July 3rd and July 5th of this year... yet this post is still in in-between status (PR0, above gray yet not showing what it should yet):

http://blog.dreamhost.com/2007/07/

So, I don't know. Weird.

posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 12:04 PM by Michael VanDeMar


No problem. Yeah, this "update" seems to be flowing out of the Google servers really slow. I know of a couple sites that have grown inbound links by 100x, and would HAVE to get a PR increase, but no change yet. And others that I would actually expect a decrease, but also no change yet.

A hunch from a few of us at HubSpot is that Google is trying to downplay the importance of PR and is trying to make updates less timely and less predictable, so that it is harder to understand their algorithm, and people will stop relying on PR as a measure of a site's value (for selling text links for example...).

posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 12:10 PM by Mike Volpe


As of April, I was PR 5. I then changed my web address and then (rather expectedly) dropped to zero. However, I'm still stuck at zero and I'm not getting indexed as often. Bizarrely, I'm getting more search traffic from Google. Figure that out...

posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 4:28 PM by Wayne Smallman


Other speculation that I read was that "blog networks" were hit because blogs within networks link to each other. I understood that reciprocal links were less valuable anyways. Maybe google hadn't factored "blog network interlinking" into the algorithm until everyone and their brother started one? Is website grader able to determine link patterns and whether a link is reciprocal? Maybe there's a correlation there? I am guessing website grader doesn't detect/store whether a website sells paid links. It'd be an interesting factor to correlate too.

posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 6:13 PM by Peter Caputa


Update... looks like GotuitMedia.com has fallen from a 6 back to a 5...

posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 5:24 PM by Mike Volpe


We have seen one site loose indexed rankings for keywords. All flash site with just Meta data and 120 links. I thinks the time has come where they are also factoring links related to page content. All other sites seemed to only change a position or two. None have text link ads.

I also noticed that updates are constantly occuring without notice. So it is really hard to see what is being changed. But page rank is a small part of it.

posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 6:37 PM by seo agency


pagerank was never something to worry about since it doesn't affect serps but merely correlates with them. So unless you run a directory(or sell links to webmasters not aware or able to understand this) you have nothing to fear for in the end all the big websites will continue to flourish as the always did and better if they gained links. Thanks for the report though it provides good info on their algo update :) regards, Jest Staffel

posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 8:50 PM by Jeston13


I respect that Google continues to modify their algorithm to reward those of us that are honorable with how and where we acquire links and how we structure the details of our sites. I appreciate Hubspot's forums where we can share the available intelligence about Google.

posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 3:46 PM by Rob


Hi. My blog's PR increased from 3 to 4. But I do not understand why this happened, maybe just some time helped. I do not sell/buy any links, or have any advertising in the site.

posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 5:58 PM by Leo Piccioli


A few of my sites have seen an increase in their PR. http://easyctutorials.com went from 0 to 3 http://sanctifiedstudios.com went from 0 to 5

posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 7:41 PM by Adam Mckerlie


the google PR really affect a couple of my website. the ranks dropped and until now the google crawler really CRAWLS unlike what it used to be. very frustrating for me especially my bank account statements

posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 at 7:13 AM by zackire


website grader is not picking up the new PR. I have tried every day for past 4 days, and its still showing old PR.

posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 at 7:41 AM by james


This last update has surprised me immensely, i have worked as a seo for a while & 8 domains that i have recently registered (about 2-3 moths ago) have seen some dramatic changes for instance cbarker.ws PR0 to PR4 cbarker.info PR0 to PR3 Ctb29resonate.co.uk - PR0 to PR3 Resonate-hq.co.uk - PR0 to PR3 Resonate.me.uk - PR0 to PR4 Res0nate.co.uk - PR0 to PR1 Webstandards101.org PR0 to PR3 Web2innovation.net - PR0 to PR 3

posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2007 at 7:17 PM by Resonate


Question, Why my site, http://helpdeskgeek.com does show 0 pagerank on websitegrader.com and on the google toolbar shows that has a PR4? is my pagerank surreal?

posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 at 2:10 PM by Nelson


Nelson, email me your contact information and I will do some research on your site and try to find the difference. dtyre@hubspot.com

posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 at 11:17 AM by Dan Tyre


The web site grader is still not picking up NEW PR. Its more than 10 days now.

posted on Sunday, November 04, 2007 at 3:37 PM by John Doe


@John Doe, @Nelson and @james -

From your comments we discovered some isolated cases in Website Grader reporting a different Page Rank than the Google Toolbar. We're working on a solution now. If you want to help, please email me examples (with URL, PR on Website Grader and PR on Toolbar) to mvolpe@hubspot.com

Thanks!

posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 at 7:54 AM by Mike Volpe


I think Google's actions left many people with big question marks. Many good websites got a decrease from 7 to 3, or from 8 to 5, so - one must think of the reasons.

posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 at 10:03 AM by OOM


Hi I have some awareness of PR and the way google search results are listed but I have a site,www.brandhug.com which is a new site and we have been trying to understand more about the way search results are moving, I think it is clear that for shopping sites such as ours organic search results are important but offline marketing is as important. Many good websites have moved up and down the organic results since the latest changes so it is clear that some other factors are being used. Nick

posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 at 4:11 PM by nick


I respect that Google continues to modify their algorithm to reward those of us that are honorable with how and where we acquire links and how we structure the details of our sites. I appreciate Hubspot's forums where we can share the available intelligence about Google

posted on Saturday, December 22, 2007 at 2:46 PM by oyun


I have no problem with Google updating its algorithm- and if your site went down in PageRank, it's not Google's fault. It's just a few pixels on your computer screen, for goodness sake

posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM by Mike


hello

posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM by oyunlar


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